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What is the relationship between Freemasonry and Enoch
Posted: 16 January 2010 03:10 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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respectful Masters
I send you my sincere greetings and appreciation & I wish you progress and success>
If you allow me , there is a story I want to tell :

once , an old Lebanese Freemason friend told me : listen Mohammad , I have been affiliated with Freemasonry since 1960 , and I’m still working & learning so far, Freemasonry aims to unify the efforts to serve and benefit the individual and humanity , and the Masonic principles derived from the teachings of prophet Enoch
(end of the story) .
this Man who I told you about , is one of the The oldest living Master masons in the Middle East , He visited a lot of lodges in the world and related with.
For me , I searched on the subject , and when you google (Freemasonryry + Enoch) a lot of informations pages will appear, for example , the york rite (in indiana ) says that the second step after the royal arch degree in the york rite is the cryptic masonry , which is based on the legend of Enoch .

Frankly, I asked another (young) master mason and He told me that its the first time he hears about it, so I said to myself : Freemasonry reserves so far its principles and practices , And I assumed that the new should be like the old , to be honest I don’t know , I’m just a man who you know his story and I just want to learn , Because unfortunately , this is what circumstances permit to me , so again I said to myself , why not asking the people who really Know about this & care about people like me in the world .

I am sorry to take part of your time, and reiterate to you all my respect and greetings Sir .

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Posted: 17 January 2010 10:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Your old friend was correct. The second degree after the Royal Arch is that of Select Master, the second degree of the Council of Royal and Select Masters. The degree which precedes it (in the USA) is Royal Master. (In some foreign jurisdictions, the order is reversed.) These two are known as the Cryptic Degrees and the Councils which confer them comprise Cryptic Masonry.

I have a monitor (a printed ritual aid) published in 1870 for the use of the Grand Council of R&SM; of New York. In the optional expansion of the lecture to the candidate, it explains that King Solomon’s Temple was built on Mount Moriah on the spot which had, in the days of King David, been the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite; previous to that, it was the spot where Abraham prepared to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice; and before that, it was the place where Enoch, the son of Seth and grandson of Adam, was carried up alive into heaven. It goes on to say that a certain great secret which is part of the Master Mason Degree and the Royal Arch Degree was imparted to Enoch and he was charged to preserve it for future generations so that it would survive after the great flood which God would bring on the earth. He was granted a vision, after which he constructed on Mount Moriah a crypt nine levels deep in which he placed the great secret and a key to its discovery, engraved on a triangular plate of gold which would withstand water. To withstand fire, he engraved the same secret and key on a marble pillar. When King Solomon began construction of the Temple, the workmen found the crypt and brought its contents to Solomon. For the purpose of concealing and preserving the same secret, he used a similar device just before the completion of the Temple. (Royal Arch Masons and Cryptic Masons will understand what I am alluding to here.)

This was in 1870. The ritual adopted by the General Grand Council in the early 1880s eliminated all the references to Enoch and so far as I know, it is no longer used in the USA, which is why your younger friend had never heard of it. However, it may be in use in other places, which would be how your older friend knew of it.

Interestingly, this legend also appears, in part at least, in the 13th Degree of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite, which is called Master of the Ninth Arch or Royal Arch of Enoch, or Royal Arch of Solomon. In the 14th Degree, the lodge room or stage has a representation of the Pillar of Enoch with the triangular plate on top of it.

The reason this appears in both the Council of R&SM; (which is part of the York Rite) and the Scottish Rite is that the Cryptic degrees were originally part of the AASR, and were in the early part of the 19th century adopted by Royal Arch Chapters (which conferred them before the Most Excellent Master degree) or by independent Councils of R&SM;. The AASR gave up these degrees, as did the Chapters in most states (VA and WV being an exception to this day) when the General Grand Council was formed.

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Posted: 18 January 2010 01:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I would like to thank you so much on this clarification, the explanation is very useful and fruitful on the subject, to know the location of Enoch in the traditions and practice of Freemasonry, and in this context, And because the issue touches on something extra, I hope that you allow me to send you a private message .
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Posted: 18 January 2010 03:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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This is a reply for the whole Forum.

Lion of Jordan in his private message to me noted that there are those in Middle Eastern countries who would like to see Masonry cease to exist. He also posed the question whether his Islamic faith would be in conflict with the teachings of Freemasonry with regard to religion. I shall reply, but I invite others to add their views as well.

Freemasonry, with its lessons of the equality of men and its desire to pursue truth without regard to political systems, has always been hated and repressed by tyrants who see Freemasonry as a threat. In the 20th century alone, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, and Franco all ordered lodges shut down, confiscated their property, and arrested, tortured and killed Freemasons; there were plenty of others who did the same on a smaller scale in preceding centuries. The dictators are gone, and in their countries Freemasonry has been able to set itself back up again.

There still are today, however, places where the governing regimes do not permit Masonry, for the same old reasons—they fear and despise our refusal to be constrained by anyone’s political or religious dogmas. There is at least one middle eastern country which permits no religion other than their own strict form of Islam to be practiced or even spoken of within its borders, and they have very rigorous import controls to make sure no printed matter can come into the country which they disapprove of.

As to any conflict between Islam and Masonry, I must start by repeating what has been said millions of times:  FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION.  However, it has been said that Masonry is the handmaid of religion; i.e., that Masonry teaches a man to value and to practice to the best of his ability whatever religion he believes in. It is also a fact that no atheist can be made a mason, at least in a regular and recognized lodge. There are lodges in which no supreme being is recognized and which admit atheists, but these lodges have been cast out and are held to be irregular by all regular lodges throughout the world. No regular mason is permitted to enter or sit in such a lodge. So, our position is explained to every person who has an interest in becoming a mason: You must have some belief in a supreme being, but we do not care what you call him, what you believe about him, or how you worship him or how often, or whether you belong to any organization for doing so, or what book or writings you believe reveal him.

There is nothing in Masonic regulations or practices which would prevent a Muslim from being a Mason, and there are Muslim masons, not only in the USA but all over the world. The holy book which is usually displayed on the altar of a lodge in the USA is the Holy Bible, almost always opened to a page in the Old Testament to avoid any semblance of Christian sectarianism, and on this book a candidate lays his hand to attest to the promises he makes at initiation. However, a Jew may bring a copy of the Torah, a Muslim may bring the Qran, a Hindu, Sikh, Parsee or other believer may bring his own holy book to be used instead, which will lie alongside the lodge’s Bible. I participated in an exaltation to the Royal Arch last week where one candidate, an orthodox Jew, brought a Torah which he used, and which was treated with the same respect and veneration as the Chapter’s Bible.

The only Muslim who would not belong in Masonry is one like those who seem to proliferate in the middle east, whose views of Islam forbid any toleration of other religions. A freemason is obliged to give full respect and toleration to the religion of other men. As Masons, we all believe that there is no single path to God, and that every man is entitled to our respect and support on his way.

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Posted: 19 January 2010 11:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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G’day Brothers!

We may be skirting the line with respect to talk of religion and politics here - but so well-thought-out and salient a reply is worthy of note and appreciation.  In absorbing the information that has been presented I am reminded of a conversation that I had with one of the priests in my parish after I informed them that I would be joining Marine Lodge.

“The problem with Freemasonry is that it refuses to recognize any specific religion,” he pointed out.  “When you follow a path, you naturally want others to follow that path as well, and when someone tells you that they respect your path, support your belief, and then in the same breath also grant the same respect and support to other paths, it becomes an issue.”

I think that the important thing to remember here is that if Freemasonry becomes an issue in that situation, the issue is not with Freemasonry - which is compatible with all faiths - but rather with a faith that is not compatible with other faiths.  Does that make sense?

Acceptance is not the same thing as being accepted - but since universal acceptance is our goal, it behooves us to strive for it on the individual level rather than collectively, the later being a worthy aim but not a likely one.

Thank you for sharing your observations here.

Cheers!

Chris

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