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Posted: 02 October 2011 07:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]  
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Ok, Thanks for clearing that up for me

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Posted: 03 October 2011 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]  
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devoate - 02 October 2011 07:25 PM

Ok, Thanks for clearing that up for me

No problem.  Let us know if you have any more questions.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 01:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]  
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JamesD - 24 February 2010 12:43 AM

What I find is that several co-workers and friends are discussing the “Illuminati” and how they run the entire world and the Freemasons work for them as well as most government branches, couldn’t do anything but laugh, I tell them it’s non sense but most people are so gullible it’s a shame. Also, You tube isn’t helping much with the vast amount of “conspiracy videos” on their site, but what can you do.

 

I’m not trying to be disrespectful in anyways but you are saying that these people are gullible and that it’s on the Internet and what not.. Then what makes everything you are all saying any different. I don’t know what to believ because many of the conspiracy theories contradict themselves and/ or there is other reasons for the way things are. Although the many conspiracy theories seem so real, I don’t know what to believe. Why must everything be a big secret kept from the world? I just want to know your thoughts on this because I’m stuck in the middle of what I believe.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 06:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]  
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Ramseyxxilu2 - 11 October 2011 01:34 AM
JamesD - 24 February 2010 12:43 AM

What I find is that several co-workers and friends are discussing the “Illuminati” and how they run the entire world and the Freemasons work for them as well as most government branches, couldn’t do anything but laugh, I tell them it’s non sense but most people are so gullible it’s a shame. Also, You tube isn’t helping much with the vast amount of “conspiracy videos” on their site, but what can you do.

 

I’m not trying to be disrespectful in anyways but you are saying that these people are gullible and that it’s on the Internet and what not.. Then what makes everything you are all saying any different. I don’t know what to believ because many of the conspiracy theories contradict themselves and/ or there is other reasons for the way things are. Although the many conspiracy theories seem so real, I don’t know what to believe. Why must everything be a big secret kept from the world? I just want to know your thoughts on this because I’m stuck in the middle of what I believe.

I understand what you are saying.  There IS a lot of information out there and it may be hard for people to weed through it to know what is true and what is false.  This is where you’ve made a logical move in actually asking MASONS.  If you notice, most of the wacky conspiracy claims are made by non-Masons who have almost no knowledge or understanding of the Fraternity.  Most of these notions can be easily dispelled with logic, and understanding of symbolism, and simple reason. 

As I say to everyone who reaches out to us with questions on this site….ask anything you want.  We will answer any question you have with as much detail as possible.  If we cannot answer your question, I promise you will get an explanation why, and we might even give you a hint where you can research further to find the answers you are looking for.

So feel free to do a bit of homework, starting with our Frequently Asked Questions page, here:
http://www.askafreemason.org/topten/index.htm

and then start a thread asking us any questions you may have.  You’ll get an honest and accurate answer about the Masons every time you ask us.  You can’t get that from non-Masons.
Just remember, we are regular guys just like you who have families and friends and jobs, from all walks of life, and all tax brackets, we watch football and drink beer and go to church and pay taxes.  We are here on this site as volunteers because we enjoy Freemasonry.  We are not paid to do this, so we don’t answer to anyone.  Nobody is telling us what to say here.

So ask away.  I’m happy to help you sort fact from fiction as best as I can, along with my fellow Brothers here on this site.

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Posted: 12 October 2011 02:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]  
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Dan Madore - 11 October 2011 06:19 AM
Ramseyxxilu2 - 11 October 2011 01:34 AM
JamesD - 24 February 2010 12:43 AM

What I find is that several co-workers and friends are discussing the “Illuminati” and how they run the entire world and the Freemasons work for them as well as most government branches, couldn’t do anything but laugh, I tell them it’s non sense but most people are so gullible it’s a shame. Also, You tube isn’t helping much with the vast amount of “conspiracy videos” on their site, but what can you do.

 

I’m not trying to be disrespectful in anyways but you are saying that these people are gullible and that it’s on the Internet and what not.. Then what makes everything you are all saying any different. I don’t know what to believ because many of the conspiracy theories contradict themselves and/ or there is other reasons for the way things are. Although the many conspiracy theories seem so real, I don’t know what to believe. Why must everything be a big secret kept from the world? I just want to know your thoughts on this because I’m stuck in the middle of what I believe.

I understand what you are saying.  There IS a lot of information out there and it may be hard for people to weed through it to know what is true and what is false.  This is where you’ve made a logical move in actually asking MASONS.  If you notice, most of the wacky conspiracy claims are made by non-Masons who have almost no knowledge or understanding of the Fraternity.  Most of these notions can be easily dispelled with logic, and understanding of symbolism, and simple reason. 
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As I say to everyone who reaches out to us with questions on this site….ask anything you want.  We will answer any question you have with as much detail as possible.  If we cannot answer your question, I promise you will get an explanation why, and we might even give you a hint where you can research further to find the answers you are looking for.

So feel free to do a bit of homework, starting with our Frequently Asked Questions page, here:
http://www.askafreemason.org/topten/index.htm

and then start a thread asking us any questions you may have.  You’ll get an honest and accurate answer about the Masons every time you ask us.  You can’t get that from non-Masons.
Just remember, we are regular guys just like you who have families and friends and jobs, from all walks of life, and all tax brackets, we watch football and drink beer and go to church and pay taxes.  We are here on this site as volunteers because we enjoy Freemasonry.  We are not paid to do this, so we don’t answer to anyone.  Nobody is telling us what to say here.

So ask away.  I’m happy to help you sort fact from fiction as best as I can, along with my fellow Brothers here on this site.

 

 

Well I don’t understand when New world order or “illuminati” is spoken of why do they try and hide things. I know of friends who have posted read things about this “illuminati” and it gets deleted within ten-30 minutes of posting. That’s why I’m so confused is because why are these videos and sites getting deleted for the information they’re throwing out about it. I’m just trying to get my head flowing in the right direction. These conspiracy followers could easily be brainwashing us into anything that supposedly makes sense, but so can everyone. Ugh! I know this isn’t really questions but I am jst seeking information because I’m more towards that the conspiracys are false

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Posted: 12 October 2011 05:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]  
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Ramsey,

I certainly understand what you’re saying, and have seen it myself. I’ll ask you to look at it from a different perspective for a minute.

Let’s pretend you are a Mason. You start a website to discuss Masonry with other Masons and answer questions about Masonry posed by non-Masons. Several times a day you people ask questions about conspiracy theories.  You KNOW they aren’t true, because you’re a Mason. You politely answer their questions. Some believe you. Others don’t. You can’t force them to believe you, you can just answer honestly and let them decide.  Every day you spend quite a bit of your time answering the same questions about conspiracies from new people. It seems you spend more of your time trying to dispel falsehoods than you do answering questions from interested non-Masons, or having discussions with fellow Masons. Most of those conspiracy theories have been presented before, and if someone searched the forum before asking, they’d find the answers. After a time, many forums just stop answering. They delete or close the threads. It isn’t to hide something.

We’re lucky here. The moderators and administrators take the time to answer each question seriously and completely, even though they answer the same question about something that isn’t true very frequently.  They’re dedicated to giving people the truth about Masonry, and hopefully as a result people will come to love the Fraternity as much as I do.

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Posted: 12 October 2011 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]  
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Well said brother Freefall.

Ramsey, since you brought up two of the most pervasive falsehoods about Freemasonry; the Illuminati and the “New World Order”, let me briefly (because yes, we’ve already been over it hundreds of times on this site) address those.

First, the Illuminati - It has become a hugely popular idea that there is some underground secret societ called the Illuminati that controls everything.  Heck, when I first read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown, even I didn’t konw fact from fiction.  A little homework, however, uncovered the truth about the illuminati.  The concept that you are referring to is fiction, based loosely on an organization from the 1700s in Bavaria that existed for a span of about a decade.  The name was convenient to use for thriller stories because you could look up that they actually DID exist at one time, but they were by no means some all powerful order controlling everhthing.  Dan Brown didn’t create this idea at all.  It actually originated from British Author John Robison in 1798.

The truth is much more innocuous than the fiction.  A man by the name of Weishaupt in Germany who was a professor at the University of Ingolstadt formed a group in order to bring about change and challenge authoritarianism at the time.  The group was formed in 1776 and evolved into a society called Illuminati.  Their purposes were elightenment and fredom of though, and these concepts DID get incorporated into Masonic lodges at the time.  That’s it.  The Illuminati was brought to an end by edict between 1784 and 1787.

11 years later, enter John Robison and Abbe Augustin Barruel, who floated their ideas of conspiracy in two books that were released almost simultaneously.  From those little books, the idea spread like wildfire, and those little fires are still burning today in the minds of conspiracy theorists.  Fuel was added to this fire when in 1890, Leo Taxil wrote a bunch of publications charging Freemasonry with some sort of satanic involvement.  Even though TAXIL HIMSELF later admitted that it was ALL A HOAX, the damage was done.  The idea was repeated and spread.

As for the “New World Order” phrase, which often gets associated with Freemasonry - this was a phrase that was fairly common in the early 20th century to loosely refer to dramatic political change in the world.  Of course that phrase can mean many things, and was used by everyone from Churchill to George H.W. Bush, mostly to describe the political climate of the world as it pertains to communist and post communist Europe.

This phrase only became “associated” with Freemasonry by a silly little game involving the dollar bill.  The phrase “Novus Ordo Seclorum” on the dollar bill, which featurs some symbols that APPEAR to be Masonic in nature, has often been incorrectly translated to be “New Secular Order” or “New World Order”.  However, bad latin translations aren’t anyone’s fault but those who falsely quote it.  The phrase means “New Order of the Ages, a reference to the United states starting an era of independence.

For more on the silliness surrounding the dollar bill and its supposed ties to Freemasonry, we’ve beat that horse to death, so please read this page:
http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Masonry/Essays/eyepyr.html

So that brings us to today.  All conspiracy tales and wild theories come about and are perpetuated by those who are either ignorant of, or chose to ignore these simple facts of history. 

One final note that SHOULD drive a nail in the coffin for the idea of a global conspiracy…there IS not global governing body for Freemasonry.  Heck, there isn’t even a single governing body in the United States!  Each state has it’s own Grand Lodge, and that Grand Lodge reports to NO OTHER GRAND LODGE.  In fact, these Grand Lodges quite often disagree on things, which is why each state has slightly different rules about Freemasonry.  Furthermore, discussion of politics, as well as religion, are forbidden during lodge meetings.

So knowing all I’ve just told you, I’m sure you can see the history behind the conspiracy claimes, but tell me this.  How can a group with no global organization that is forbidden from discussing politics even POSSIBLY have a shot at politically controlling the world?  Answer…it can’t, nor does it want to.  We are a fraternity of men dedicated to improving ourselves and helping others.  Period.  We just happen to be particularly entertaining targets for conspiracy due to the nature of our fraternity having simple secret methods of identifying each other (and you can find those as well if you look carefully).  Nothing is really secret anymore.

I hope this helps in your understanding.  Let us know if you have other questions.

Sources - Edward L. King, S. Brent Morris

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Posted: 07 December 2011 01:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]  
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Admin Note: New Posts started here by Onsen have been moved to a new Thread, as they was not about conspiracies. Please visit the following URL to see this thread.

http://www.masonforum.com/viewthread/2619/

Thanks, Admin

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Posted: 12 December 2011 02:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]  
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Not to be annoying but it has been proven that by using E.L.F. [extreme low frequency] radoi waves directed @ a faultline you can ‘create an earthquake. Not saying FreeMasons did just saying it doesn’t take “Superpowers.” See 1st page of posts on this topic.

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Posted: 12 December 2011 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]  
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Paradox Da 1ne - 12 December 2011 02:59 AM
Steve - 24 February 2010 10:23 AM

I as a FC have not received any superpowers to cause any natural disasters or have not been informed of any government take overs, all I would like to be able to have rule over is my house…I cant even get my kid to keep their room clean….LOL….

Not to be annoying but it has been proven that by using E.L.F. [extreme low frequency] radoi waves directed @ a faultline you can ‘create an earthquake. Not saying FreeMasons did just saying it doesn’t take “Superpowers.” See 1st page of posts on this topic.


Again, I’m not really sure what it is that you are saying here.  There dosn’t seem to be a point that you’re making, now you’re just saying things for the sake of saying them.  Please help us help you by keeping on track.

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Posted: 05 February 2012 03:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]  
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JamesD - 24 February 2010 12:43 AM

What I find is that several co-workers and friends are discussing the “Illuminati” and how they run the entire world and the Freemasons work for them as well as most government branches, couldn’t do anything but laugh, I tell them it’s non sense but most people are so gullible it’s a shame. Also, You tube isn’t helping much with the vast amount of “conspiracy videos” on their site, but what can you do.

your laugh displays your ignorance. Leave Freemasson out of the equation, and if you still think its a gullible notion, then yes that would be sad.

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Posted: 14 February 2012 12:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]  
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I apologize for the potential redundancy.  I have a few questions that of which I would not mind having the answers to.  Sorry again if they have already been answered:

1.)  What is the meaning of the symbol of the “all-seeing” eye and the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill? 

2.)  Is it true that most (if not all) of the presidents of the United States of America are freemasons?

3.)  Is there a new world order consipracy, and are freemasons involved?

4.)  Is 2012 significant in terms of catastrophy, and if so, are freemasons trying to save the planet?

I have heard many theories and do not have time to research them all, perhaps you gentlemen have already have the answers I seek.

Thank you for your time brothers.

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Posted: 14 February 2012 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]  
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Hi there.

And thank you for your questions.

Sounds like you’ve been reading a lot.

Too much in the wrong places I’m afraid.

Here’s a start as far as Presidents go.  I’m sure others will fill in the other blanks.

But this should show you how far off you are:

http://www.hoffmanlodge412.org/presidents.htm

Also, you should be aware that although all of us are “brothers” on this earth, the term Brothers is generally used in our Fraternity only between Masons. 

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Posted: 14 February 2012 10:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]  
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Questions - 14 February 2012 12:00 AM

I apologize for the potential redundancy.  I have a few questions that of which I would not mind having the answers to.  Sorry again if they have already been answered:

1.)  What is the meaning of the symbol of the “all-seeing” eye and the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill? 

2.)  Is it true that most (if not all) of the presidents of the United States of America are freemasons?

3.)  Is there a new world order consipracy, and are freemasons involved?

4.)  Is 2012 significant in terms of catastrophy, and if so, are freemasons trying to save the planet?

I have heard many theories and do not have time to research them all, perhaps you gentlemen have already have the answers I seek.

Thank you for your time brothers.

As Bro. Bob already pointed you towrd some good information regarding Masonic Presidents, yes there were only 14, Gerald Ford being the last.

I thought I’d address a few of the others.

1.)  What is the meaning of the symbol of the “all-seeing” eye and the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill?  - This is pretty straight forward. The ‘all seeing eye’ as it is displayed on the reverse of the Great Seal of the US represents the all seeing eye of God. The pyramid is and was at the founding of the US one of the 7 wonders of the world and being of such antiquity, symobized a structure or building that would last for the ages. This tied with the inscriptions that spell this out in Latin. There is a official State Dept document that spells this out here: http://www.state.gov/www/publications/great_seal.pdf

3.)  Is there a new world order conspiracy, and are Freemasons involved? - I am of the opinion that this is a matter of perspective. From my perspective (my opinion) there is no world wide conspiracy. There is a local effort by Freemasons to change the world, however it is by makeing men better one at a time. This has a cumulative effect, in that as a Mason goes out in the world and ‘practices’ Masonry and as he improves himself he will improve his little corner of the world, his home, his neighborhood, etc.

4.)  Is 2012 significant in terms of catastrophy, and if so, are freemasons trying to save the planet? - I realize that many accusations have been leveled against the fraternity over the centuries. Interestingly enough the 2012 prophecies really are a Mayan thing and not a Mason thing. So this is really not the proper forum to test this theory or debate it’s validity. That being said I believe that Freemasons in their own way have and are trying to save the planet. But maybe not in the same context they you may believe.

I would also suggest Bro. Ed King’s website, http://www.masonicinfo.com as a wealth of information with regards to many of these subjects and his well done research on the truth of them. There are several excellent books, one I would recommend is Conspiracy Theory for Dummies by Chris Hodapp.
In conclusion I have seen many of the hundreds and hundreds of videos post on places like YouTube and alike. The problem is that anyone can say anything they want on these sites with complete anonymity. This is not research and of course not authoritative. There is always the old adage that you should not believe everything you hear. If you want to learn the facts and truth about what Masonry is, then you at least have come to the right place (this site).

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Posted: 14 February 2012 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]  
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Thank you for your response!  I will check out that great seal site, and I already checked out the presidents.  It seemed accurate as far as whom I have heard to be a freemason thus far.

I am somewhat concerned about getting information of the seal from a US Gov’t website because I feel the government tends to be dishonest.  I guess I will have to check it out and use my own judgement.

Edit: Based on your answer I am beginning to draw the conclusion “Under God” is related to the eye being above watching over us all.  I have read that it is the Eye of Horus?

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