Albert Pike was quoted saying that “the true purpose of freemasonry is NOT known 2 the vast majority of freemasons. that true knowledge of freemasonry was reserved 4 the princes & sages of freemasonry” He a confederate general, avowed racist, & the guy who wrote a lot of the doctrines you practice 2day. I know there is only so much I can posibly learn on the outside lookin in, but I don’t wanna walk n2 anything blindly. Collectively what is ur true purpose? P.S. weren’t freemasons involed in the formation of the K.K.K.?

Paradox Da 1ne - 10 December 2011 02:28 PM

Albert Pike was quoted saying that “the true purpose of freemasonry is NOT known 2 the vast majority of freemasons. that true knowledge of freemasonry was reserved 4 the princes & sages of freemasonry”

Nice one! I do hope you realise that you’re referring to one of the many “made-up” quotes attributed to Albert Pike. They circulate in conspiracy circles every few years and some one always thinks they have been given some proof of something. When they bother to actually try to research them (usually by reading the book) they find that the statement that “Pike wrote or claimed these things” is actually just a straight-forward lie.

If you’re interested in the TRUTH and what he actually wrote send me a PM and I will give you a link to a cosnpiracy forum where I explained the reality of Pike’s words to someone back in 08.

Paradox Da 1ne - 10 December 2011 02:28 PM

Albert Pike was quoted saying that “the true purpose of freemasonry is NOT known 2 the vast majority of freemasons. that true knowledge of freemasonry was reserved 4 the princes & sages of freemasonry” He a confederate general, avowed racist, & the guy who wrote a lot of the doctrines you practice 2day. I know there is only so much I can posibly learn on the outside lookin in, but I don’t wanna walk n2 anything blindly. Collectively what is ur true purpose? P.S. weren’t freemasons involed in the formation of the K.K.K.?

Sorry, while Pike was a very good writer, he is not the authority on Freemasonry that many of the profane think he is.  If you read the opening part of Morals and Dogma of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite you will see that the entire work is simply Pike’s interpretation of the various degrees.  They are not his rewriting of them and they are not used today in the fashion he wrote.

To PDH825 i have no way of comparing what he wrote 7 what u do @ this Time. [Outside lookin in]

He did go against the law of the land & chose the loosing side but was honored with a statue. cant think of any other confederates with such a distiction. his statue is 4 his work as a mason not a soldier. what DID he do 4 his name 2 live on?

What about him & the kkk?

I can already see that you’re nt really that interested as rather than find out the truth you wish to blindly repeat wha other’s have told you, oh well. In the meantime:

Paradox Da 1ne - 11 December 2011 04:09 PM

He did go against the law of the land & chose the loosing side but was honored with a statue. cant think of any other confederates with such a distiction. his statue is 4 his work as a mason not a soldier. what DID he do 4 his name 2 live on?

Answer here: http://www.masonicinfo.com/pikestatue.htm

Paradox Da 1ne - 11 December 2011 04:11 PM

What about him & the kkk?

Answer here: http://www.masonicinfo.com/kkk.htm

To Mike: 1st that was just an overview 4 the purpose of selling a book! 2nd I NEVER do anything blindly! You see wrong if you see that. there are a lot of info saying he was involved & not enough time to sort thru. Maybe this wasn’t the shortcut I thought it to be. The truth is MY purpose. The question was “What is YOURS?”

There is no shortcut to the truth.  If you ask a question and we tell you how to find the answer, and then you respond by saying it is too much information to go through, then there is nobody to blame but yourself when in the end you don’t have the answers.

All we can do is tell you the truth.  If you continue to make assertions and repeat falsehoods you’ve heard even though we are giving you evidence that contradicts what you say, then there isn’t much we can do for you.

In the end, people believe what they want to believe.  If you’ve already made up your mind to believe the wrong thing, then what are you doing here?

Sorry, not quite following you here. Are you saying you’re trying to sell a book??

I would suggest to you that you have come into a place inhabited by Freemasons and repeated some silly claims madeb y conspiracy theorists about a long-dead Freemason and justifying it by calling the topic “True Purpose”, if that ain’t blind it is at best short sighted.

Actually there isn’t a lot of info about Pike! What there actually is a handful of sites that copy and repeat the same story over and again. It is in fact a very old conspiracy theory, which I was trying to help you to understand.

If you actually want to find out about Freemasonry I would suggest that you forget dead Freemasons and have some communication with us live ones, who actually have no interest in Pike.

1st didnt say the answer was too much info to go thru I said finding the truth on this issue with such widely diverging opinions was too much. I’m no historian whos every waking moment can go n2 extensive study of 1 particular issue. So 2nd, there is a shortcut to knowledge. You go to the source! That’s why I sought you all out. I haven’t “made up my mind” on anything but, Freemasonry has been surrounded in mystery & assumption for hundreds of yrs.. The amount of falsehoods are staggering, Misperceptions countless. Many with convincing “evidence” to back them. Maybe I worded my ? wrong but D———, (mod edit) you all can’t see how this is all confusing? Also the title true purpose relates to the question of what is Freemasonry’s purpose or altimate goal? I just added some [I don’t know] inconsistancies [as I see them] to the question to round it out, Make it better understood. Epic Fail;^] & finally, http://www.masonicinfo.com/kkk.htm gave an overview of the issue then tried to sell a book via Amazon.com. So no I wasn’t blind or short sided just unclear. So after a devious route I found my answer. Thanx & in closing don’t attack the curious, I [@ least] ask for knowledge not confrontation.

So, do you have any other questions for real Freemasons? This site is here to help men dispel myths and learn how to become Masons if they want to.  To answer your question, Feemasonry’s purpose is to help men better themselves and help the world become a better place.  It works because it’s also a worldwide fraternity that offers all of us the chance to have fellowship and friendship with like minded people all over the world. There’s no reason for any of us to lie to you.

So ask away—but this is not a curiosity site.  If you don’t have an interest and are just curious there are more interesting sites out there that can feed any wild ideas you may want to believe.

Thanks

Bob Heruska
Forum Administrator

I don’t think any of you have lied to me Bob. My curiosity comes from my desire to join your fraternity conflicting with views & opinions I’ve heard all my life [ see post GateKeepers ]. I also know freemasns who I talk to often of these concerns. 1 directed me to this site for a broader audiance, & more possible insight. So far so good. this forum is a great thing. Like a beackon in the dark.

Paradox Da 1ne - 12 December 2011 12:00 AM

1st didnt say the answer was too much info to go thru I said finding the truth on this issue with such widely diverging opinions was too much.

Yes it can be very difficult because there IS a lot of information out there that is flat out false, and it causes good people to come to bad conclusions.

Paradox Da 1ne - 12 December 2011 12:00 AM

Also the title true purpose relates to the question of what is Freemasonry’s purpose or altimate goal?.

I would say Freemasonry has goals, but there is no real ultimate goal.  That implies that someday Freemasonry will be able to step back and say “OK, we’re done.  We’ve achieved our goal.”  That would never happen because we aren’t striving for a single tangible thing.  We aim to improve ourselves, to make ourselves better people and help those around us while we are at it.

Paradox Da 1ne - 12 December 2011 12:00 AM

& finally, http://www.masonicinfo.com/kkk.htm gave an overview of the issue then tried to sell a book via Amazon.com. So no I wasn’t blind or short sided just unclear. So after a devious route I found my answer.

Ahh, I see what you were saying about the book.  Understand that the creator of that site is NOT the author of that book.  He simply gave a link to the book on his site because he said it was a pretty good resource.  We occasionally recommend books to people on this forum, does that mean we are suspect?  In the case of masonicinfo.com, while Brother King does reference the book, he also points out the book’s shortcomings and flaws.  If that isn’t fair I don’t know what is.

Paradox Da 1ne - 12 December 2011 12:00 AM

Thanx & in closing don’t attack the curious, I [@ least] ask for knowledge not confrontation.

I’m sorry if you felt attacked.  Understand that it is really hard to understand what your point is sometimes because you are using shortcuts in your writing, substituting numbers for letters and using wrong or mispelled words.  There’s a spell checker right below the window where you post that can come in handy.  Try to be a clear as possible in your questions to make sure that we can understand exactly what it is you are asking, and in turn we can give you the best answer.

Remember that your questions can be used by other’s who read this forum to learn more as well, so remember that the question is just as important (if not more important) than the answer.