No he wasn’t and he didn’t actually “discover” America either.
The first Europeans known to visit America were the Vikings (Danish) in the 10th Century by the 11th century they had several settlements in, what they, called Woodland. (You can find the story by googling Lief Ericsson).
It has been theorised that the Knights Templar also explored parts of America in the 12th and 13th Centuries and some have even claimed that Columbus had the benefit of KT charts when he finally went there in the 15th Century.
Yes, I know about Lief Ericson, and the Vikings, and i have also heard rumors that the Knights Templar may have came to America. So, do you think it is possible that the Knights Templar buried or hid the holy grail here? Also, do you think is it possible that the Vikings found and explored parts of North America, and Christopher Columbus founded South America?
Sorry to cut you short here, but this Forum is really here to help people learn how to become Freemasons. If we can help you with that, then by all means stay on and ask questions. But asking if we think the Holy Grail was buried here and did Columbus discover South America?
Seriously, the members here are volunteers. I really don’t want them to have to answer these kinds of questions.
Again, love to have you ask questions about how to become a Mason.
By the way, do you mind me asking how old you are?
If that is an attempt at humor, please don’t bother. You ask good questions, but it will be somewhat hard for you to be taken seriously when you fool around like that. To begin with, your choice of a user name gives the appearance that you have some sort of “agenda” and in all honesty, the phrase is used by anti-masonic conspiracy theorists who claim that the Masons are out to rule the world. In that sense, the phrase can be considered offensive to the members of the Fraternity. Most here will take it as a sign of ignorance and ignore it….at least for a while.
“A New World Order” is also an incorrect translation of the latin phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum. When taken in context with the date that is on the Great Seal, has a specific meaning. Think about it, if you know your American History, it will make perfect sense.
If that is an attempt at humor, please don’t bother. You ask good questions, but it will be somewhat hard for you to be taken seriously when you fool around like that. To begin with, your choice of a user name gives the appearance that you have some sort of “agenda” and in all honesty, the phrase is used by anti-masonic conspiracy theorists who claim that the Masons are out to rule the world. In that sense, the phrase can be considered offensive to the members of the Fraternity. Most here will take it as a sign of ignorance and ignore it….at least for a while.
“A New World Order” is also an incorrect translation of the latin phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum. When taken in context with the date that is on the Great Seal, has a specific meaning. Think about it, if you know your American History, it will make perfect sense.
Novus Ordo Seclorum translates to: The NEW ORDER of the WORLD. And as for the date, lets just say i can see whats BEHIND the wall, AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE “MASON”.I see that you are starting to catch on to “my agenda”. So my work at this website is done. but you never no…i might just pop in to say hi! Thus, i thank every one of you “MASON”‘s that have been taking there time to answer my questions. GOODBYE!!!!!!//////for now!!!!!!
can YOU see whats BEHIND the wall “MASON”?
If this post is deleted,or edited in any way than YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE!!!!!
[quote author=“Aneworldorder” date=“1320994390]Novus Ordo Seclorum translates to: The NEW ORDER of the WORLD.
OK, well….the latin word for world is MUNDUS. So show me where the word mundus is in novus ordo seclorum.
If you can’t do a basic latin translation, I assert that you probably should be attempting to school those who can.
Novus = new
Ordo = ordo
Seclorum = Generations/Ages/Centuries
Seclorum is plural for Saeculum, meaning age. While Saeculum did get translated as world age much later near the death of Latin, it would never be used to mean such in the context of the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Here’s what I see. A young man who thinks he’s read a few tidbits of Freemasonry and is assuming that because he’s heard a few things, he can piece together all the rest. You’ve seen the tail of an animal peeking out from under a blanket. All you see is the tail, and you’re assuming it is an elephant. We’re under the blanket telling you it is a cat. Whether you chose to believe us or not is up to you, but if you keep on believing it is an elephant….you’ll keep on being wrong. Good luck with that.
One thing is certain. If you ever do become a Mason, you’ll look back on your posts here with the utmost embarrassment. It’d be a real forehead slapping moment for you.
At this point we’re going to keep your posts—and our answers—up on the Forum and not delete your account. If nothing else we want others to know that we did our best. You can check in once in a while if you want, and as Dan said, if you ever do become a Mason your Brothers will always be able to give you a hard time.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to say many of us get a bit frustrated with those who think they know what we do and know who we are by what they see on the Web, but that’s why we have this Forum here, and we’re all volunteers who’ve chosen to help.
At the same time I will say that over the years we have seen more than a few of the more intelligent conspiracy theory types actually become intrigued by the REAL history of our Fraternity and decide to go check it our for themselves. I am pleased to say that those that I know that went to an open house or visited with a Lodge not only petitioned to become Masons but actually became active members.
I know for me there was something powerful in learning that as an ordinary guy I could just “ask” to become a part of the world’s oldest Fraternity. And the longer I have been a member, the more I see what a privilege it has been.
So, to quote a guy who probably spent too much time in Homer, Alaska, “We’ll leave the light on for ya.”
[quote author=“Aneworldorder” date=“1320994390]Novus Ordo Seclorum translates to: The NEW ORDER of the WORLD.
OK, well….the latin word for world is MUNDUS. So show me where the word mundus is in novus ordo seclorum.
Well…..Nope, not gonna go there. LOL. It still amazes me that those who are not members insist that they know what we are about better than those of us who are members. Aneworldorder is just another of the misinformed. Hopefully, some day, he matures enough to realize the errors of his thinking.
[quote author=“Aneworldorder” date=“1320994390]Novus Ordo Seclorum translates to: The NEW ORDER of the WORLD.
OK, well….the latin word for world is MUNDUS. So show me where the word mundus is in novus ordo seclorum.
Well…..Nope, not gonna go there. LOL. It still amazes me that those who are not members insist that they know what we are about better than those of us who are members. Aneworldorder is just another of the misinformed. Hopefully, some day, he matures enough to realize the errors of his thinking.
Yes, I know, the answer is not so simple, that a version of saeclorum can be translated in some cases to mean world in a more esoteric sense, and mundus would most likely not be used in that case either, but for the purpose of my contradiction to his translation, it works. The important part is that the phrase as used on the dollar bill means “the beginning of an era”, and at any rate is not Masonic in origin.
At any rate, the original poster has shown several times that he more interested in making statements than applying thought and logic, so I’m not sure what more can be done.
[quote author=“Aneworldorder” date=“1320994390]Novus Ordo Seclorum translates to: The NEW ORDER of the WORLD.
OK, well….the latin word for world is MUNDUS. So show me where the word mundus is in novus ordo seclorum.
If you can’t do a basic latin translation, I assert that you probably should be attempting to school those who can.
Novus = new
Ordo = ordo
Seclorum = Generations/Ages/Centuries
Seclorum is plural for Saeculum, meaning age. While Saeculum did get translated as world age much later near the death of Latin, it would never be used to mean such in the context of the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Here’s what I see. A young man who thinks he’s read a few tidbits of Freemasonry and is assuming that because he’s heard a few things, he can piece together all the rest. You’ve seen the tail of an animal peeking out from under a blanket. All you see is the tail, and you’re assuming it is an elephant. We’re under the blanket telling you it is a cat. Whether you chose to believe us or not is up to you, but if you keep on believing it is an elephant….you’ll keep on being wrong. Good luck with that.
One thing is certain. If you ever do become a Mason, you’ll look back on your posts here with the utmost embarrassment. It’d be a real forehead slapping moment for you.
The thing that gets me the most about this is that you openly are admiting that your hiding something. and if these things are not bad then why hide it? also i have to ask, when are you going to come out from underneath the blanket? will you ever? I have to say the tail that im seeing dosnt appear to be an elephants, it looks more like a DRAGON. However i have to admit that i am glad that i got the opertunity to learn a few things on this site. So to show that i think the best way would be to leave you alone. I dont want to be a mason.
