I understand what u are saying. but to be completely honest with you, I know what goes on there. i asked the question to see what a mason would tell me, and i know that u are not completly honest with me. Mabey ur being truthfull when you tell me to ask somewere else, but there are definatly freemasons that go there so for u to tell me they have nothing in common i no u are lying. Listen, now that i know that u will lie to people i am not sure if i want to become a mason yet, so i guess my next question is gonna be will you ever reveal the truth about the stuff ur hiding:like the corner stone of the white house, or the “holy grail”. and if you trully dont know than mabey i should talk to a 3rd degree mason because i know that they know.
I understand what u are saying. but to be completely honest with you, I know what goes on there. i asked the question to see what a mason would tell me, and i know that u are not completly honest with me. Mabey ur being truthfull when you tell me to ask somewere else, but there are definatly freemasons that go there so for u to tell me they have nothing in common i no u are lying. Listen, now that i know that u will lie to people i am not sure if i want to become a mason yet, so i guess my next question is gonna be will you ever reveal the truth about the stuff ur hiding:like the corner stone of the white house, or the “holy grail”. and if you trully dont know than mabey i should talk to a 3rd degree mason because i know that they know.
The Bohemian Grove is so secret because it is a private organization and that is how they chose to operate. What goes on there, I couldn’t tell you as I am not a member of that organization.
I can tell you that just because someone is a member of two organizations, does not mean that one controls the other or that the two are related in any way, shape or form.
I understand what u are saying. but to be completely honest with you, I know what goes on there. i asked the question to see what a mason would tell me, and i know that u are not completly honest with me. Mabey ur being truthfull when you tell me to ask somewere else, but there are definatly freemasons that go there so for u to tell me they have nothing in common i no u are lying. Listen, now that i know that u will lie to people i am not sure if i want to become a mason yet, so i guess my next question is gonna be will you ever reveal the truth about the stuff ur hiding:like the corner stone of the white house, or the “holy grail”. and if you trully dont know than mabey i should talk to a 3rd degree mason because i know that they know.
First let me tell you that it is incredibly rude to accuse someone of lying when they are telling you about something of which you don’t know but they do.
Second, unless you have attended a meeting at Bohemian Grve you only know what you have been told! You do not know what goes on or even who attends these things, just like me.
Third, just because you say someothing that does not make it true!
So let’s put the emphasis where it should for a minute and let me ask you a couple of questions to see which of us is being completely truthful:
1) What is your full name?
2) When were you made a Master Mason?
3) How many meetings at Bohemian Grove have you personally attended?
4) What are the names of the Masons that you met there?
5) If you went to a work party and one of the people you met there was a Freemason would that mean that your employer is Masonic?
With all due respect, this is a Site sponsored by Grand Lodges of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons. We are here to help non members separate the 100"s of myths and conspiracy theories out there from the truth. If you would like to ask questions of real Freemasons and learn the truth, I welcome you to stay on. If you do, however, I would prefer that you not say that we are “not being completely honest with you”—- because we are.
If you peruse the FAQ’s on the site and watch the videos and read the 1000"s of answers given here you would know that The Bohemian Grove has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
The Grove, for those on this site who are unaware of it, was (and still is) one of many private men’s clubs that began in the United States in the late 19th century. The Grove was started by actors, has an outside “retreat” every year in California that has become a bit notorious, and has attracted many influential people over the years. Some of these men may have also been Freemasons, but as Brother Mike alluded to in his last message, that doesn’t mean the two are connected.
I understand what u are saying. but to be completely honest with you, I know what goes on there. i asked the question to see what a mason would tell me, and i know that u are not completly honest with me. Mabey ur being truthfull when you tell me to ask somewere else, but there are definatly freemasons that go there so for u to tell me they have nothing in common i no u are lying. Listen, now that i know that u will lie to people i am not sure if i want to become a mason yet, so i guess my next question is gonna be will you ever reveal the truth about the stuff ur hiding:like the corner stone of the white house, or the “holy grail”. and if you trully dont know than mabey i should talk to a 3rd degree mason because i know that they know.
First let me tell you that it is incredibly rude to accuse someone of lying when they are telling you about something of which you don’t know but they do.
Second, unless you have attended a meeting at Bohemian Grve you only know what you have been told! You do not know what goes on or even who attends these things, just like me.
Third, just because you say someothing that does not make it true!
So let’s put the emphasis where it should for a minute and let me ask you a couple of questions to see which of us is being completely truthful:
1) What is your full name?
2) When were you made a Master Mason?
3) How many meetings at Bohemian Grove have you personally attended?
4) What are the names of the Masons that you met there?
5) If you went to a work party and one of the people you met there was a Freemason would that mean that your employer is Masonic?
1) my name is not important rite now
2)i never said i was a master mason
3)never been but i seen the “Cremation of Care” ritual and it seemed pretty satanic to me
4)i havent met nobody there ive never been, but i know that george bush has been there and i also know that Reagan and Nixon planed who was gonna run for president first there. lets see i no that every republican president was a member there since the 1920s. is that enough for you?
5)no it wouldnt and, u DO have a point but bieng a secret powerful organisation u should no that people are gonna assume the worst, and not only that you cannot deny the fact that decisions are made behind citizens backs i know it and you know it. do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it?
I am trully sorry for the controversy this has caused but i really am curious about freemasonry and i really want to belive that you are a good people
[1) What is your full name?
2) When were you made a Master Mason?
3) How many meetings at Bohemian Grove have you personally attended?
4) What are the names of the Masons that you met there?
5) If you went to a work party and one of the people you met there was a Freemason would that mean that your employer is Masonic?
1) my name is not important rite now
2)i never said i was a master mason
3)never been but i seen the “Cremation of Care” ritual and it seemed pretty satanic to me
4)i havent met nobody there ive never been, but i know that george bush has been there and i also know that Reagan and Nixon planed who was gonna run for president first there. lets see i no that every republican president was a member there since the 1920s. is that enough for you?
5)no it wouldnt and, u DO have a point but bieng a secret powerful organisation u should no that people are gonna assume the worst, and not only that you cannot deny the fact that decisions are made behind citizens backs i know it and you know it. do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it?
I am trully sorry for the controversy this has caused but i really am curious about freemasonry and i really want to belive that you are a good people
OK let’s see what we’ve got here.
So you choose to hide your identity, which immediately shows that you have something to hide unlike me who posts under my own name and can be further researched on the Net.
You have not been involved in either of the subjects on which you are choosing to make claims and statements (and even accusations) about so you have no personal experience of them, very interesting this would indicate that you are either: an attention seeker or a plain old gossip or are just easily led/gullible or all three.
You are quite happy to repeat things that other people have told you regardless of whether they’re true (for example none of the Presidents you mention have been Freemasons) which would tend to indicate that you have malicious intent, as you have chosen not to actually research the subject beyond what you’ve been told.
I would suggest to you that, if you are actually interested in Freemasonry rather than made up conspiracy theories, you stop telling us Freemasons what we do, mainly as you clearly don’t have a clue and then while you are here ask some sensible questions and you might find out just how sad you appear spouting other peoples’ lies to us.
I did ask a question that has not been answered yet. Do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it? and btw u said that when people tell me stuff i dont research it, well ur wrong i do research it and that is what brings me here. if i truly wanted to belive cospiracy theorys i wouldnt even take the time to ask a REAL mason about the truth.
I did ask a question that has not been answered yet. Do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it? and btw u said that when people tell me stuff i dont research it, well ur wrong i do research it and that is what brings me here. if i truly wanted to belive cospiracy theorys i wouldnt even take the time to ask a REAL mason about the truth.
Then it looks as if you’re not totally lost yet. However, you have definitely been swayed by the disinfo that you been given so far, although, I admit that it could just be that you don’t know any other way to word it. I have not made my mind up about you yet.
Freemasons only keep secret the signs, tokens and words, although some Grand lodges keep the Ritual more private than others. These Masonic “secrets” are the things that prove us definitely to be Freemasons to other Freemasons.
The idea that we withold “secrets” other than these from anyone is a total fantasy. It’s up there with us hiding the Ark of the Covenant.
Aneworldorder, It is clearly apparent that you have watched at least two episodes of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded. While they were mildly entertaining, the “facts” that Brad and his group started with, are incorrect. The shows were sensationalized to arouse suspicion, and it appears to have worked in your case. One thing I would like to know is, is English your native language and are you currently residing in the US?
Yes, the Masons do keep secrets. No they are not kept from the public because they would not believe them or they are nefarious in any way. They are “kept” from the public for a reason, and that reason is found in the content of the different degrees. And before you go spouting that we are not high enough up the ladder of degrees to know, I need to point out that there are, in fact, only three (3) degrees in Masonry. There is no degree higher than the 3rd degree or Master Mason.
I did ask a question that has not been answered yet. Do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it? and btw u said that when people tell me stuff i dont research it, well ur wrong i do research it and that is what brings me here. if i truly wanted to belive cospiracy theorys i wouldnt even take the time to ask a REAL mason about the truth.
I’m very appreciative that you’ve actually decided to ask us the questions here and recognize that by asking you are indeed beginning to research the truth.
To answer your question…..if we were to tell you the things we keep secret, you would TOTALLY be able to accept the reality of it. In fact, the things that we keep secret are not really secret at all. They have been published and are publically available for all to see. Our obligation merely prevents US from telling you what they are. If we did tell you, you probably wouldn’t really understand them because they make no sense out of the context of a Masonic lodge. If you and I were to sit down and I were to tell you those things that we keep secret, you’d most likely says “That’s it? That’s all this is about?”
There isn’t some big dark thing that we are hiding. There are so many sources out there where people make up these vast and elaborate stories and claims about Freemasonry. I’m not sure why, either because it is fun for them, or because they have gotten really fired up about some misinformation they have received and are trying to pass that on.
We can answer or explain almost any question about our goals, our purpose, and our motivation. What we CAN’T do is answer questions about space Nazi’s, aliens, mind control, or other fraternal organizations with which we have no affiliation.
I’m sorry if some of the tone of our members here can get a bit snippy, but we invite any Mason to participate, and we don’t control their responses. However biting and reactionary some of these responses are, you have to admit that you would respond unfavorably to being accused of something false and then being called a liar all at the same time.
So….let’s just all start over, shall we? If you’ve heard something about us and want us to to explain it, I’m willing to help you with that. If you don’t want to believe us or listen to our responses then I’m afraid there is nothing we can do for you. I’d like to think that you (like we do) want to obtain knowledge and become more educated about the subject. I bet there are a lot of things you don’t know about Masonry that are true and yet still pretty interesting. Did you know that it is possible that YOU could become a Mason? We aren’t some elite group that passes down memebership through blood lines. Any man can be a Mason as long as he believes in God and is a man of good character. Does that sound like a Satanic group to you?
So here’s your chance to have a nice dialog with Freemasons. Take the opportunity if you will, or leave here at least knowing that we are willing to answer you when you are ready.
I did ask a question that has not been answered yet. Do u keep things a secret because the people would not be able to accept the reality of it? and btw u said that when people tell me stuff i dont research it, well ur wrong i do research it and that is what brings me here. if i truly wanted to belive cospiracy theorys i wouldnt even take the time to ask a REAL mason about the truth.
I’m very appreciative that you’ve actually decided to ask us the questions here and recognize that by asking you are indeed beginning to research the truth.
To answer your question…..if we were to tell you the things we keep secret, you would TOTALLY be able to accept the reality of it. In fact, the things that we keep secret are not really secret at all. They have been published and are publically available for all to see. Our obligation merely prevents US from telling you what they are. If we did tell you, you probably wouldn’t really understand them because they make no sense out of the context of a Masonic lodge. If you and I were to sit down and I were to tell you those things that we keep secret, you’d most likely says “That’s it? That’s all this is about?”
There isn’t some big dark thing that we are hiding. There are so many sources out there where people make up these vast and elaborate stories and claims about Freemasonry. I’m not sure why, either because it is fun for them, or because they have gotten really fired up about some misinformation they have received and are trying to pass that on.
We can answer or explain almost any question about our goals, our purpose, and our motivation. What we CAN’T do is answer questions about space Nazi’s, aliens, mind control, or other fraternal organizations with which we have no affiliation.
I’m sorry if some of the tone of our members here can get a bit snippy, but we invite any Mason to participate, and we don’t control their responses. However biting and reactionary some of these responses are, you have to admit that you would respond unfavorably to being accused of something false and then being called a liar all at the same time.
So….let’s just all start over, shall we? If you’ve heard something about us and want us to to explain it, I’m willing to help you with that. If you don’t want to believe us or listen to our responses then I’m afraid there is nothing we can do for you. I’d like to think that you (like we do) want to obtain knowledge and become more educated about the subject. I bet there are a lot of things you don’t know about Masonry that are true and yet still pretty interesting. Did you know that it is possible that YOU could become a Mason? We aren’t some elite group that passes down memebership through blood lines. Any man can be a Mason as long as he believes in God and is a man of good character. Does that sound like a Satanic group to you?
So here’s your chance to have a nice dialog with Freemasons. Take the opportunity if you will, or leave here at least knowing that we are willing to answer you when you are ready.
i guess u guys are really telling the truth after all, and i know that if there is a group out there that is plotting to take over the world its definatly NOT the Freemasons. with that cleared up i think that if i want to learn about the bohemian grove i should ask a club member not a mason. Thank you all for your time
Aneworldorder, It is clearly apparent that you have watched at least two episodes of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded. While they were mildly entertaining, the “facts” that Brad and his group started with, are incorrect. The shows were sensationalized to attract arouse suspicion, and it appears to have worked in your case. One thing I would like to know is, is English your native language and are you currently residing in the US?
Yes, the Masons do keep secrets. No they are not kept from the public because they would not believe them or they are nefarious in any way. They are “kept” from the public for a reason, and that reason is found in the content of the different degrees. And before you go spouting that we are not high enough up the ladder of degrees to know, I need to point out that there are, in fact, only three (3) degrees in Masonry. There is no degree higher than the 3rd degree or Master Mason.
Yes english is my native language, and yes im from the US, born and raised. and i never intended to say that ur rank is not high enough to really know. people that think or say things like that are just not ready to hear the truth or just dont want to accept it because they have heard otherwise. i hope that u belive that i actually consider the things you tell me, like i said before i wouldnt be here if i didnt want the truth.
... with that cleared up i think that if i want to learn about the bohemian grove i should ask a club member not a mason. Thank you all for your time
Correct, but it is unlikely that you will get any information from them, even if they do admit to being a member.
Exactly. I don’t think they even have a website or a way to contact them, so good luck finding out more about them. To be honest, I never even heard of it before you asked.
