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Posted: 07 May 2012 05:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]  
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why are there so many secrets about freemansonry?

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Posted: 07 May 2012 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]  
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j89c - 07 May 2012 05:09 PM

why are there so many secrets about freemansonry?

Should really have started a new thread….

Anyway, the secrets are not that numerous.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 01:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]  
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j89c - 07 May 2012 05:09 PM

why are there so many secrets about freemansonry?

Can you name one?

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Posted: 12 May 2012 01:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]  
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mguiler - 09 October 2011 02:37 PM

You do take oaths of Secrecy do you not?

I was a scout member in Lebanon.

When I received my Totem ceremony, I also vowed to keep the secrets of the ceremony details only to Totemized people.

But Scouting is not a secret organization as well!

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Posted: 13 June 2012 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]  
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mguiler - 09 October 2011 02:24 PM

The Masons and The Skull and Bones are both secret societies.  They both call themselves Fraternities.  They both use the Skull and Crossbones symbolism.  They both have numerous members who gain positions of power in the political system such as president.  I am sure you can see this can be confusing for young people.  This is understandably a little bit stronger of a correlation then the link between railroad crossing signs and pornographic labels.

I really want to stress this… Freemasons are not a secret society. We don’t try to hide our fraternity, nor do we hide what we are about. Our agenda is to help people… This is not a secret.

Freemasons are A society WITH secrets. There is a difference. the fact of the matter is, everyone has secrets. we are not any different. But not everything about us is secret. There are only a few things that are… and even these are not really all that well kept as secrets. There are numerous books and videos and websites and articles that discuss us Freemasons and what we do. Some even have the “sacred” pass codes or grips of freemasonry…

what we do is “Make Good Men Better.” It really is just that simple. There are no hidden agendas. If you feel you need to know what might go on in a Freemason meeting, Attend a STATE FFA convention during their business meeting. Our Lodge meetings are run the very same way.

A society with Secrets, not a SECRET SOCIETY.

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Posted: 13 June 2012 08:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]  
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mguiler - 10 October 2011 11:32 AM

I like how the Masons are now trying to make Masonry not so secretive, but don’t tell me it hasn’t been secretive.  You brag about America being founded by Masons and America being a “Masonic Experiment” and I now know that that is most likely true.  I went through high school learning what I thought was American History, but upon graduating I had never even heard of the Masons.  I did not even know they existed.  I did not learn of the Masons until I was in college and it wasn’t because it was taught about in any of my classes, It wasn’t.  I learned of them through my own research.  I had never seen or heard them talked about on TV, In movies, or on the radio.  It’s only been recently with National Treasure and the whole Dan Brown craze that the general public has caught on to Masonry, and because of how fantastical and convoluted those works of fiction are you are trying to play damage control with sites like these.  So please stop trying to act like you can’t understand why people call your organization secretive.


I really do like hearing about questions like this. It makes ya think. It also means the person asking the question is thinking too. That is great :)

Back to the comment. One reason I don’t believe that we hear about freemasonry during our K-12 school years is due to the fact that it held little signification to the people in charge of our education. They don’t teach conspiracy theories (we’ve all heard the stories) and they can’t talk about religion. These are two ways that it might have been brought up and they are not allowed to talk about it. If we wanted to go deeper into the how much is being left out in our schooling I’d point to the fact that there were very few Black Mountain Men. But in my History book, I’ll be jiggered if that wasn’t who was talked about. We didn’t get to talk about the J.F.K assassination… that wasn’t in the curriculum to be taught, so we never heard about it. That being said, I don’t believe that you stand on solid ground when you complain that we were never talked about. Granted I went to High School in Wyoming(which is the state that the first Rendezvous actually happened. a lot of mountain men participated in this.) But I do believe that my education was very well rounded and I don’t have a problem stating that just because freemasonry hasn’t been brought to your attention, doesn’t mean that it has been hidden.

Another example… Just because the kid can’t see the cookies on the counter doesn’t mean they are not there. Also doesn’t mean they were hidden. It just means they didn’t know about them. The kid’s parents didn’t specifically hide it from the kid, it just so happens that the kid didn’t know it was there.

The fact that George Washington was a mason, I do believe, helped him in founding this country. His belief that everyone should be able to prosper on their own and have religious freedom was his belief. It just happens to be shared by Freemasons. He did take the structure of how a masonic meeting is held to help him lay down rules and regulations for our government. I believe that due to the things that might have been done in lodge, such as everyone meeting in one place “on the level” or as equals helped him come up with the idea of congress meeting to converse as equals to solve problems and create solutions such as laws. Even if he was never a Freemason, he might have done these things. Fhe fact that he was, allowed him to draw more information from his environment to help shape his ideas and cause the world as we know it to happen.

I’m long winded. Sorry :) This is my opinion and if a Brother has more information than me(they probably do) feel free to correct me :)

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Posted: 13 June 2012 10:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]  
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Welcome James.  Great post…except…I’m not sure why you keep putting an “e” at the end of “secret”.

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Posted: 14 June 2012 03:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]  
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Apologies Dan, I’m tired and can’t seem to get to sleep… So I decided to check back in on this awesome forum I stumbled upon. and with no pressing matters to attend to tomorrow, I figured I could go without some sleep. Apparently I might need a little more sleep ;)

p.s. I’m also a terrible speller and I have been putting too much trust in my native spell check software this evening

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Posted: 19 July 2012 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]  
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Having recently attained the degree of Master Mason, I wish to address the original question.

I am a very practical person; I do not, at all, go in for superstition or the arcane. When people start spouting off conspiracy theories about events long-ago buried in the humus of history, I tend to roll my eyes and shake my head. I’m a straight-fact guy who has no time for nonsense.

Personally, I am a committed Christian, with like political inclinations as half of America and the same moral compass instilled into me by my parents when I was a child. The Masonic traditions and rituals which I have embraced are emphatically endorsed by my sense of morality, my upbringing and my highest obligation, which is to God.

There is absolutely nothing in conflict between any of my long-held beliefs and my commitments as a Mason. As a matter of fact, Freemasonry holds me accountable to striving to do better in all areas of commitment in my life. And Masonic ritual is a means of conveying this accountability into my mind.

The rituals have given me hope that there are still people who believe in clear thinking, self discipline, love of God and your neighbor (isn’t that the central focus of most major religions?) and simply doing the right thing.

To a non-observant person surveying a Catholic mass, Baptist, Pentecostal or Jewish service or an Islamic adhan or Hindu mandir for the very first time, the ritual might be described as ‘weird’.  For those who have observed certain ceremonies within the Boy Scouts and many other fraternal organizations, the same could be declared.

But for nearly all of these various groups, the ritual and ceremony have deep meaning and purpose to those who are participating. This is certainly true for Masons.

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Posted: 19 July 2012 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]  
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mguiler - 09 October 2011 03:06 PM

Do the Masons have knowledge that they in part on members as they climb the degrees of the pyramid?

First, please explain what you mean by “climb the degrees of the pyramid”. I’m an officer in my lodge and have never encountered a pyramid in any of our rituals.

The three degrees of Masonry are solemn ceremonies that impart a wealth of knowledge to the candidate. They are teaching tools in morality that use the allegory of the tools of operative stone masonry to remind us of the concepts presented. For example, the Square is used by operative masons to prove right angles while we speculative Masons use it to remind us to always act in fairness and kindness toward our fellow man. You may have heard the term “square deal”. Now you know where it came from.

The details of the ceremonies, which we call “Rituals” are one of the “secrets” of Masonry. Given five minutes on the internet, you could find the text of every degree. A Mason is not going to share these details with you for two simple reasons: 1) we took an oath not to and 2) they work better when they are a surprise. It doesn’t matter that the “secrets” have been published in book within six years of the formation of the Grand Lodge of England in 1717. We keep those secrets to show we can be trusted.

The degrees of Masonry are by no means the only source of this valuable knowledge. It can be found in Sunday School, Hebrew School, Scouting, and any number of sources of moral lessons. We just have some very effective, time tested teaching methods.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 08:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]  
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This thread contains a great deal of significant information, glad I read it!

Director-editor,
I really like your most recent reply, you sound like a balanced man of good moral values. 

I am south of you in Ozark, Mo. and plan to submit my petition (once I get one) to join Freemasonry.  Is there a petition available to print off the internet for the Missouri Lodges?

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Posted: 20 July 2012 09:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]  
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You don’t apply to the state Grand Lodge, you apply to a local lodge near you.  Find one, contact them, and they’ll get you the petition application.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]  
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1want2b1 - 20 July 2012 08:22 AM

This thread contains a great deal of significant information, glad I read it!

Director-editor,
I really like your most recent reply, you sound like a balanced man of good moral values. 

I am south of you in Ozark, Mo. and plan to submit my petition (once I get one) to join Freemasonry.  Is there a petition available to print off the internet for the Missouri Lodges?

As Dan pointed out, you apply to an individual lodge. This forum and others like it are not Masonry. Masonry is something you do in person, not on the Internet. In order to petition, you will need one or more members of the lodge to sponsor you. You will need to get to know them and they you before that will happen. From there it is a slow process that takes months but it is worth it.

Keep reading and asking questions.

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Posted: 20 July 2012 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]  
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1want2b1 - 20 July 2012 08:22 AM

I am south of you in Ozark, Mo. and plan to submit my petition (once I get one) to join Freemasonry.  Is there a petition available to print off the internet for the Missouri Lodges?

Please consider contacting:
Friend Lodge #352
307 South 2nd Ave.
Ozark, MO

According to my finding, they meet on the first Tuesday, Dinner at 6:30, Open at 7:30 PM.

My family is from that part of MO, and I hope to retire there someday. My best to you.

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Posted: 22 August 2012 03:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]  
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What does your symbol with the measuring tools forming a diamond shape with a G in the center mean?

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