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Posted: 26 February 2011 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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If i`m an entered apprentice and a 33rd degree gives me an emblem to put on my car cause he`s family can i put it on? He is married to my wifes cousin.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 05:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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im gonna guess and say no because. e.a. is the begining of your deg. and only mastermasons are alowed to use our
symbol. yes you are still a brother but only partly. what kind of emblem is it? there are ones for blue lodge
which you are and there are others for the appendent bodys. so what ever the emblem i would suggest to hold off
untill you get raised. then you can use it. if its other that the mason symbol you have to be part of the degs
it represents.

hope this helps.and congrats on your first journey

enjoy!!

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Posted: 26 February 2011 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Its the one with the cane and balls.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 08:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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searching_light - 26 February 2011 06:20 PM

Its the one with the cane and balls.

Similar to my question…

I’m very excited about beginning this process, and so I was looking around on the internet at things like lapel pins, car emblems, and such. I decided that I would not get (or wear) a Square and Compass pin until I was raised to the 3d Degree. So, I started looking for “Entered Apprentice” and “Fellow Craft” pins, knowing there must be such things.

I found a really nice “Entered Apprentice” pin at “Freemason store dot com” but I haven’t seen a “Fellow Craft” pin anywhere. At least, not one that has the words like the Entered Apprentice pin does.

I’ve seen a pin that has one arm of the compass in front of the square and the other behind listed as an FC pin, but that’s not the same thing. Has anyone seen a “Fellow Craft” pin with just the words anywhere? I would really like to get one when the time comes.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 08:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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That’s like hanging a College degree frame without a degree in it. Yes you may be attending classes but why not wait till it is finalized?

I did purchase a Case Freemasonry knife before being raised to Master, and I ordered a ring. But I did not wear or carry them until my time came around.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 09:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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djacobs28056 - 26 February 2011 08:48 PM

That’s like hanging a College degree frame without a degree in it. Yes you may be attending classes but why not wait till it is finalized?

I did purchase a Case Freemasonry knife before being raised to Master, and I ordered a ring. But I did not wear or carry them until my time came around.

Gee, you really missed the point, didn’t you?

It’s nothing like “hanging a college degree frame without a degree in it”... I didn’t say I was going to wear these pins fraudulently. You might think that way, but I don’t. How quickly you throw stones from that glass house of yours. You bought a knife and ring BEFORE you were Raised? Doesn’t that make you guilty of the same thing of which you accused me?

What I said was, when the time comes I would like to be prepared and have the EA and FC pins ready when the time comes.

I refer you back to my original question. You seemed to miss it by bringing up something else…

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Posted: 26 February 2011 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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searching_light - 26 February 2011 05:02 PM

If i`m an entered apprentice and a 33rd degree gives me an emblem to put on my car cause he`s family can i put it on? He is married to my wifes cousin.

What did I misread?

I don’t put Shriner’s emblems on my car because I’m not a Shriner.

I’m not condemning you. I wasn’t trying to sound harsh. I stated that I wouldn’t adorn anything with emblems of something I wasn’t. That is not saying you will never get there. Just saying be patient.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 09:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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If i`m an entered apprentice and a 33rd degree gives me an emblem to put on my car cause he`s family can i put it on? He is married to my wifes cousin.

What did I misread?

I don’t put Shriner’s emblems on my car because I’m not a Shriner.

I’m not condemning you. I wasn’t trying to sound harsh. I stated that I wouldn’t adorn anything with emblems of something I wasn’t. That is not saying you will never get there. Just saying be patient.

For one, you could try reading who posted what. I didn’t ask the first thing about Shriner’s emblems. I asked about Entered Apprentice and Fellow Craft pins. And since you didn’t quote me above, but rather the OP, it’s clear that you misread who wrote what, and who asked two different questions…

So, I ask a third time… has anyone seen a source for pins that say “Entered Apprentice” and “Fellow Craft” that are the words instead of a variation of the S & C, that I can have ready when the time comes?

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Posted: 26 February 2011 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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You’re right I assumed you were the OP. AFTER you assumed I was responding to you. I was responding to the OP.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 10:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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djacobs28056 - 26 February 2011 09:54 PM

You’re right I assumed you were the OP. AFTER you assumed I was responding to you. I was responding to the OP.

I made no such assumption.

Your post was directly under mine. Thank you for deflecting the blame to me. That’s very noble of you.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 12:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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OK guys. The first rule of this Forum is civility. I would ask that everyone on this thread take it easy and respect each other. That’s what Freemasonry is all about. It’s about how we can best work and best agree—as those who have been through the degrees know.

Points have been made on both sides here. But that’s not the point. I’ve seen some confusion as to who’s answering what question, but that’s not the point either.

If anyone has any information on entered apprentice or fellowcraft emblems or pins please let us know. My guess is that entered apprentice and fellowcraft emblems might be hard to find—because in many ways they are much more hidden in our ritual than those of the third degree, which we display openly to the world—because the first two degrees are emblematical of that which has only been revealed partially—and are only significant in their transitional nature. They actually are not designed to stand alone, but are only used in Lodge as symbols of a Man’s progress toward the 3rd degree. Although a man is made a Mason when he becomes an entered apprentice, it is not a station where he can really remain, as it might have been in the operative freemasonry of old. In order to become a full member of the Lodge, sign the bylaws, attend regular meetings, and vote, you must recieve the 3rd degree.

Although you didn’t really ask for it, my advice would be—even if you could find one—to wait until you are raised as a Master Mason to display any jewelry or emblems.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 01:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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I have been trying to think of an analogy to better explain my last post.

Again, my opinion, but I would say wearing an entered apprentice pin would be akin to getting your learner’s permit to drive and putting a bumper sticker on your call that said “student driver” or “learner’s permit.”  Not the coolest thing in the world.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 06:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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I took the liberty of sending some information to CharlesB, so that he can purchase EA and/or FC lapel pins. In most jurisdictions, it is “taboo” to wear any Masonic “bling” identifying yourself as a MM, until you have obtained that degree. It is perfectly permissible to shop around the internet, e-bay, pawn shops, etc, and obtain the items, and put them away.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Bob: I hadn’t thought of that “Student Driver” thing… Very telling analogy. I can imagine it’s been a while since you entered the fraternity, and so you may not remember the sheer excitement and wonder at what you were about to embark upon. I happen to suffer from that at the moment. I am literally overwhelmed with this feeling of standing on the precipice of something wondrous, and merely wanted to find a way to share that. Now that you’ve described what it really means, to this uniniatiate, I don’t necessarily think it’s the greatest idea now…

Charles: I might surf on over there, and get those pins anyway, just to make up a shadow box to hang on my office wall at home.

I guess it was the thought that counted.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 10:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Charles—

It was certainly not my intent to diminish any of your excitement. As I have said on this Forum many times, the ceremony made a very strong impression on me, but it took me years to understand it. And I am still learning.

But it would be my guess that most men who became Masons before this great information age approached the fraternity with less “excitement” than new initiates are bringing to the Craft today. I would say most of us came to Freemasonry based more on a favorable opinion of the organization formed by knowing and respecting someone who was a Mason.
Becoming a Mason was an act of faith. Of trust. The ceremony was solumn and serious. And one left it more with a sense of awe and incumbency than excitement.

I actually find the excitement that is being created around Freemasonry today fascinating—and great for our Fraternity. I hope you can take that energy with you in your Travels.

Please do not get discouraged by my comments. If you will allow me another analogy, I need to remind myself about how excited I felt years ago when my cherished vintage diesel Mercedes was nearing 250K miles. I took a special trip out West to celebrate and marked the occasion with photographs and a bottle of champagne. And I proudly announced myself at the dealership the following Monday to claim that beautiful Mercedes 250K grill emblem. And I remember how I felt when the man behind the counter looked at me with a bit of disdain and said, “Do you really want to do that? Every Mercedes as old as yours has 250 thousand miles on it—if you want to display something, wait until you can put on the 500K or the Million Mile one. Now that’s an accomplishment to be proud of.”

He was right of course, and I didn’t buy the emblem—I walked sheepishly away. But my point can be taken two ways. Because instead of waiting 15 more years to reach my next goal I lost a bit of excitement and pride in my car and ended up selling it.

So I don’t want you to lose any excitement for Freemasonry if you don’t put an entered apprentice emblem on your car. I promise you won’t have to wait 15 years for the one that you’ll be most proud of.

I am reminded of one of my favorite quotes from John D. Rockefeller Jr:

“Every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty”


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Posted: 27 February 2011 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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Always a pleasure reading your replies Bob!
Charles and Daniel, I would find it hard to believe anyone posting on this site has lost any excitement about what we have gone through and continue to do. I know I haven’t! I am the Junior Deacon in our Lodge and as such, I have to exemplify the Candidates after their Degrees. One thing I always tell them is to refrain from researching to much on the Degrees. As Bob stated, they are solemn and serious ceremonies. We take them very serious and hope to give you the best experience we can offer. With that said, take it slow and enjoy the degrees. You will be a Master Mason before you know it and show it how you chose. I bought my ring before I was a Master Mason and had it sized so I could wear it the second I signed the By-Laws after I was raised. Ya, it was exciting and that ring burned a hole in my pocket all evening! I still wear it any chance I get because honestly, I’m still excited to wear it and show people that I belong to the world’s greatest fraternity! Enjoy your time going throught the degrees, relax, and lets all get along.
If you all noticed Searching_Light posted only twice to this thread because his question was answered fairly quickly. Your excitement took it in a different direction. Your excitement is great about the fraternity, but lets just ease our backs from being up against the wall a little :) We are hear FOR you, and we enjoy it.

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