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Posted: 26 September 2017 05:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]  
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PDH825 - 26 September 2017 05:24 PM

I would venture a guess that Hanzer is not really interested in anything we have to say. [snip]

Settle down, Speedy. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

PDH825 - 26 September 2017 05:24 PM

[snip] If he is saving the pages, there is obviously some ulterior motive for it. [snip]

My guess is that Google and <Archive.org> scrape web sites continuously (as could others (it’s really quite doable)). Why wouldn’t someone like me save this thread?

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Posted: 26 September 2017 07:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]  
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hanzer - 26 September 2017 05:53 PM
PDH825 - 26 September 2017 05:24 PM

I would venture a guess that Hanzer is not really interested in anything we have to say. [snip]

Settle down, Speedy. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

PDH825 - 26 September 2017 05:24 PM

[snip] If he is saving the pages, there is obviously some ulterior motive for it. [snip]

My guess is that Google and <Archive.org> scrape web sites continuously (as could others (it’s really quite doable)). Why wouldn’t someone like me save this thread?

Let’s see, your repeated attempts to bait the members here is quite obvious. Add to that your admission that you are saving the pages for your records and the fact that you offer no serious responses to inquiries made of You. I will just say that I have seen these ploys before and they have been for less than honorable intentions.

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Posted: 27 September 2017 02:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]  
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hanzer - 25 September 2017 11:49 PM

As a consciousness expansion exercise, you could try to imagine at least three reasons why someone might Ask a Freemason a question other than “Can I join?”.

I could and have for others silly man.  But you for you thus far I will not.  Why you ask?  Because so far you assume you are smarter than us.  I am not saying you are or are not.  What I am saying is you’re behaving as an ass and well nothing else you are just being an ass.

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Posted: 27 September 2017 09:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]  
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hanzer, having been following this, let me make one more effort.

We (both as Masons in general and members of this forum in particular) are all too used to trolls and arm-chair quarterbacks. If that doesn’t apply to you, OK and sorry, but our ‘Spidey senses’ are pretty well honed (to mix a metaphor).  Challenges to our motives, personal slights, disparaging remarks and ‘smirks’ are not in our experience indicators of genuine intellectual interest. So, if you want to go further with the discussion, perhaps you could just ask your questions and accept the answers people have gone to the trouble of giving you.

In the meantime, Freemasonry has survived for centuries, not by bending to every current fad, but by holding to some very basic beliefs. That others think us odd, feel we could be more modern (or whatever) or fault our customs is of no importance to us, especially when those others are speaking - as you are - from a position of ignorance.

So, hanzer, would you like to try again?

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Posted: 27 September 2017 09:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]  
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hanzer - 25 September 2017 09:06 PM
Bro DHoward - 25 September 2017 08:49 PM

[snip] YOU are asking to join Freemasonry [snip]

That seems to be a thoroughly entrenched assumption here.

Actually, I am not so sure of that “assumption”, which is why I included my final paragraph in the posting above. My gut feeling is that you are some sort of troll just trying to get a rise out of the masonic posters on this forum.

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Posted: 28 September 2017 06:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]  
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Bro DHoward - 27 September 2017 09:49 PM

My gut feeling is that you are some sort of troll just trying to get a rise out of the masonic posters on this forum.

And then to use that portion of the thread, out of context of course, to try and prove we are something we are not.  The signs are all there.

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Posted: 28 September 2017 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]  
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Bob Heruska - 26 September 2017 03:47 PM

[snip] In any event, I would be more interested in your thoughts on my last post, and specifically, the Ben Franklin video. [snip]

Much of what is in the video resonates with me.

What follows might not be appropriate for a public forum but…

I think overcommitment to the Father archetype / heart chakra / circuit 4 / blue-orange vmeme / patriarch / parent ego state / authoritarian personality / alpha male configuration can be a problematic developmental hangup for a person and a society. I suspect the religious devices and frameworks of the Father-worship cults support this configuration and enable those who specialize in it. (For fun, I can easily imagine the Middle Age stonemasons learning these techniques from priests while constructing the cathedrals). I don’t have a problem with a men’s club that develops, utilizes, and celebrates this configuration. I have no problem with the competent application of psychodrama, theatrical ritual, ceremonial magick, and other such methods. However, a required mystical cosmology that supports this configuration and places one into a submissive/subservient position is an unethical restraint on a person’s freedom to continue to develop and progress, IMO.

I think a modern supervision and management system is probably prudent.

I have several ideas about social projects for a {US} American Freemasonry Institution that I could potentially share.

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Posted: 28 September 2017 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]  
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Still unnecessarily abrasive, but better.

Bottom line is that you appear to be an atheist, hanzer. That’s fine, your choice - isn’t it nice that we’re in great countries which permit freedom of (un)belief? Freemasonry is however a religious group and Freemasonry without a belief in a Deity is like the concept of ‘kosher bacon’; there’s a basic disconnect making it fundamentally impossible.

I can see little point in continuing this, sorry. Good luck to you.

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Posted: 28 September 2017 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]  
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Lark - 28 September 2017 10:15 AM

[snip]

I haven’t read the latest posts yet, morbid curiosity hasn’t caughten up, but I don’t recall interacting with you, so: Greetings and Salutations, Bitch. [sorry, Bob] <smirk>

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Posted: 28 September 2017 11:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]  
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PDH825 - 28 September 2017 06:53 AM
Bro DHoward - 27 September 2017 09:49 PM

My gut feeling is that you are some sort of troll just trying to get a rise out of the masonic posters on this forum.

And then to use that portion of the thread, out of context of course, to try and prove we are something we are not.  The signs are all there.

8.4 on the Troll-o-Meter, with a 5.6 from the East German judge…

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Posted: 28 September 2017 10:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]  
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And….buh bye hanzer.

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Posted: 29 September 2017 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]  
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hanzer - 28 September 2017 10:59 AM
Lark - 28 September 2017 10:15 AM

[snip]

I haven’t read the latest posts yet, morbid curiosity hasn’t caughten up, but I don’t recall interacting with you, so: Greetings and Salutations, Bitch. [sorry, Bob] <smirk>

I am sure he did not save this portion for his “records”......

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Posted: 29 September 2017 07:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]  
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The funny thing, Bro. Hulseapple, is that the troll wants - expects - a serious return from his efforts. That didn’t happen. Instead, as hanzer slipped further into trollish behaviour, nobody lost their cool, just gave him a couple of warnings and then - as on any well-moderated site - he got banned. Not much return on his labours, when you think of it. And we’ve seen it all before, so nobody here is going to lose a minute’s sleep over it. Waste of his time, in that sense. I wonder why they even bother, poor creatures.

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Posted: 29 September 2017 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]  
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As annoying as it is to deal with such folks, it is somewhat humorous to see the reaction they have when they don’t get a rise out people they expect to get.

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Posted: 08 October 2017 02:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]  
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I am not in any way shape or form or mason, but do I have permission to express my opinion on God from the perspective of my religion “Unitarian Universalism?” Not sure if it is allowed on this board because I know religion and politics cannot be discussed in the Lodge not sure if it apples on this forum.

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