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Posted: 02 August 2017 07:05 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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I recently visited a Lodge in New Orleans LA. Very interesting and a bit different.

I still am not sure about their Explanation. Apparently in the 16th District in LA the 10 Lodges are Red Lodges. They are still Masonic, still regular but it has something to do with Scottish Rite Masonry and York Rite Masonry.

I was wondering if anyone could more clearly clarify this.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Was it a Royal Arch Chapter?  If so, that is sometimes called a “red lodge” and is a part of capitular Masonry, particularly the York Rite.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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No it wasn’t Royal Arch, I am also a member of Royal Arch. It was different. It was still part of the first 3 Degrees, what we consider standard Blue Lodge but the Master explained that, if I remember right, they were York Rite, so they were a Red Lodge and what we are outside that District is considered Scottish Rite and Blue Lodge.

It would be nice to get more information about this as googling has not produced much. Still very interesting opening but basically the same. I did make sure it was a Regular Lodge as well. Not some offshoot. If you go to the Grand Lodge of Louisiana’s website they are official.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 08:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Ohhhh, I think I remember hearing something about that somewhere.  If I recall, in most places (Southern and Northern jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite), the Scottish Rite cannot confer the three degrees because that’s the territory of craft Masonry, or blue lodges.  However, Scottish Rite actually HAD it’s own three degrees which were removed in most places due to the above rule, but that those degrees were different and actually much more pertinent to the remaining degrees in the Scottish Rite.  I think there are a few places (Louisiana being one) where those original degrees are still performed.

Let me see if I can find where I read that.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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OK, so I think I read it first in “Observing the Craft” by Andrew Hammer.  However, I don’t have that book with me at the moment.  I did find however that there are only 10 lodges in the jurisdiction of the GL of LA that do work in historic Scottish Rite Symbolic ritual. 

Etoile Polaire #1
Perserverance #4
Cervantes #5
Germania #46
Kosmos #171
Union #172
Dante #174
Galileo-Mazzini #368
Albert Pike #376
Paul M. Schneidau #391

You must have visited one of those.  The reason their ritual is so different is because unlike most lodges (and indeed, all of our lodges here in MA) that get their ritual traditions from England, the one you visited has its Scottish tradition origins from France, via Haiti.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 08:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Yes it was Perseverance Lodge.. Great bunch of guys. Also all Police or Ex-Police.

Really was interesting to see such a unique opening and closing as well.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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In the Louisiana Jurisdiction, when you charter a lodge you can choose to charter under the “York Rite” degree system or under the “Scottish Rite” degree system. If I remember correctly there are around 10 lodges in Louisiana that are based on the Scottish Rite with the majority of them being in the New Orleans area (District 16).

So probably what you saw was one of the first three degrees done in the Scottish Rite style.

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Posted: 02 August 2017 06:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Just a business meeting, no actual degree but the opening and closing were different. It was fun to be surprised with something so unique.

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Posted: 04 August 2017 05:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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This may not be what you are talking about BUT….

Louisiana Colonies established Lodges in LA, under French (or something) lodges shortly before the UGLE standardized everything.

These lodges are recognized and “regular”, but there is some sort of a “hickup” or SOMETHING or other about them.

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Posted: 12 August 2017 12:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Bro DHoward - 02 August 2017 06:20 PM

In the Louisiana Jurisdiction, when you charter a lodge you can choose to charter under the “York Rite” degree system or under the “Scottish Rite” degree system. If I remember correctly there are around 10 lodges in Louisiana that are based on the Scottish Rite with the majority of them being in the New Orleans area (District 16).

So probably what you saw was one of the first three degrees done in the Scottish Rite style.

Wow! Interesting!

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