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About Morals and Dogma - Albert Pike
Posted: 25 April 2017 01:40 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hello

I started reading Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike.

Before joining Freemasonry, I believed that all masons know about this book. I found out that this is not true (At least in the British Freemasonry). Most brethren I asked about it never heard about it.

In my Masonic knowledge, where and how should I place the content of this book? Maybe it’s not even relevant to Freemasonry at all despite its reputation.

Any enlightenment would be more than welcome.

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Posted: 25 April 2017 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Just my opinion…

Morals and Dogma can certainly be called influential, at least in the sense that hundreds of thousands of Masons, particularly in the USA, have read it (or at least parts of it). It is however by no means universal, nor mandatory, nor required reading, nor did Pike ever control anything but one small bit of the Craft, nor is M&D a central document in Freemasonry. Pike was an amazing scholar, but so much of M&D is so ponderous as to be uninteligible to all but the most serious Masonic scholar,

Read it, by all means, but remember that it is just one man’s spiritual journey, no more and no less valid than anyone else’s.

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Posted: 25 April 2017 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I’ve found a lot of similar misconceptions of outsiders towards their opinions and allegations of Freemasonry.

They claim all Masons hold Albert Pike as well as M&D in as the highest authority in Freemasonry. It just isnt true. But that doesnt stop them from saying it over and over.

They claim Masons are obsessed with the number 33. So they always find a way to connect anything that equals 33 in the most random way to be an obvious sign of Masonic control. Masons arent obsessed with the number 33, actually anti-Mason conspiracists are the ones obsessed. But it doesnt stop them from repeating their claims.

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Posted: 25 April 2017 09:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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It doesn’t surprise me that Masons in the UK are not as familiar with Morals and Dogma. Pike, it seems, is one of those American figures whose name can’t be separated from Freemasonry. He was incredibly bright and I’m sure there’s wisdom you’ll find in the book, but it’s not authoritative by any means.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 02:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Just be aware that the full title is “Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry” and and that it’s really only applicable (if that’s the right word…) to the Southern Jurisdiction (Scottish Rite) of the US. It bears no real relation to Craft masonry - especially in the EC - which is why very few have heard of it - let alone read it (I haven’t).

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Posted: 26 April 2017 02:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite include as well the Craft Degrees, but agreements between supreme councils and Grand Lodges stated that craft degrees be only conferred in Blue Lodges.

Anyway, concerning Morals and Dogma, Pikes spiritual journey may be influential to some, and on the contrary to others, but the esoteric analysis in the material Pike presents is surely something very interesting and surely changed my understanding of the degrees on the personal level.

Good Luck!

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Posted: 26 April 2017 03:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Nour.A.A - 26 April 2017 02:55 AM

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite include as well the Craft Degrees, but agreements between supreme councils and Grand Lodges stated that craft degrees be only conferred in Blue Lodges.

I don’t dispute that.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 07:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Nour.A.A - 26 April 2017 02:55 AM

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite include as well the Craft Degrees, but agreements between supreme councils and Grand Lodges stated that craft degrees be only conferred in Blue Lodges.

Just for accuracy this is because the Craft degrees existed for many decades before the inception of the AASR and its French predecessor (see: https://scottishrite.org/about/history/ )

Nour.A.A - 26 April 2017 02:55 AM

Anyway, concerning Morals and Dogma, Pikes spiritual journey may be influential to some, and on the contrary to others, but the esoteric analysis in the material Pike presents is surely something very interesting and surely changed my understanding of the degrees on the personal level.

Regarding the book itself you can read a review I did of it some years ago (having gone to the bother of buying it from America to read it) here: http://forum.thefreemason.com/Topic8963.aspx

It is particularly important to be aware of the preface which states that Pike actually copied around half of the content from other authors but as it was a book for private distribution he didn’t need to worry about plagiarism.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Thank you Brethren!

So when I read the first 3 degrees in Morals and Dogma, it’s the sense the Scottish Rite give them?

This link doesn’t work:

http://forum.thefreemason.com/Topic8963.aspx

It redirects to the main page only.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 08:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Just for accuracy this is because the Craft degrees existed for many decades before the inception of the AASR and its French predecessor (see: https://scottishrite.org/about/history/ )

Sure it did, what i meant is that the system includes the first 3 degrees as well :)

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Posted: 26 April 2017 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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mystic-tie - 26 April 2017 07:38 AM

So when I read the first 3 degrees in Morals and Dogma, it’s the sense the Scottish Rite give them?

It is the sense that \Albert Pike gave them interspersed with information from various non-Masonic philosophies spread across history.

mystic-tie - 26 April 2017 07:38 AM

This link doesn’t work:

http://forum.thefreemason.com/Topic8963.aspx

It redirects to the main page only.

Ah sorry, yes you’re quite right, the Masonic books section is restricted to members only.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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You can get it for free on the kindle.

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Posted: 26 April 2017 10:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Richard George - 26 April 2017 09:57 AM

You can get it for free on the kindle.

Ha ha, not back in 1990 you couldn’t :)

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mystic-tie - 26 April 2017 07:38 AM

This link doesn’t work:

http://forum.thefreemason.com/Topic8963.aspx

It redirects to the main page only.

Here you go you can read the Preface at least here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md01.htm

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Posted: 26 April 2017 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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An open source: http://www.gutenberg.org

No less of a tome there than it is on paper, but it’s available.

Edit: For some reason, the direct link to the specific book won’t work but you can go to Gutenberg.org and search it (right under the word FREE).

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Nour.A.A - 26 April 2017 02:55 AM

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite include as well the Craft Degrees, but agreements between supreme councils and Grand Lodges stated that craft degrees be only conferred in Blue Lodges.

However, in Louisiana there are Scottish Rite based craft lodges that use the Scottish Rite degrees to confer 1 - 3.

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