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Police officers amoung members? not wanted? P.s by not wanted i mean the one who would infiltrate a lodge as police work
Posted: 15 November 2015 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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I can tell you that in our lodge we have no such concern. We have several members who are active police officers. We have one who is a retired DEA officer. We have several active military members and a few retired ones.

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Posted: 16 November 2015 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Apart from the mention of the UK judges showing favoritism, or whatever, decades ago, I know of no other mention of it happening. CAN an officer exercise discretion for simple infractions? Certainly. They do it all the time. Could it be because someone is a Freemason? You bet. Of course, it could also be because the person is a veteran, has no previous infractions, is someone they know personally, is a firefighter, an EMT, a priest, or any other myriad reasons.
To suggest an LEO would simply disregard a major crime because someone is a freemason is ludicrous. In my eyes, this is simply one of those stories that is told often, but no one ever has any proof of it, other than “I heard it from a reliable source”.

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Posted: 16 November 2015 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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oldsoldier - 16 November 2015 09:58 AM

Apart from the mention of the UK judges showing favoritism, or whatever, decades ago, I know of no other mention of it happening.

Even that was just hearsay and supposition - there was AFAIK, no proof it ever happened!

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Posted: 16 November 2015 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Correct - the Home Office report refuted the allegations.

I would also add that Freemasons are no more likely to favour other Freemasons in such circumstances than would, say, two members of a golf club, or theater group, or any other set of people who befriend one another.

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Posted: 16 November 2015 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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In fact….I’ve heard stories of Brother Police Men issuing tickets to Brothers saying “You should know better, Brother!”.

I like the idea of us holding each other to higher standards.

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Posted: 17 November 2015 02:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Neil Higgins - 16 November 2015 12:45 PM

I would also add that Freemasons are no more likely to favour other Freemasons in such circumstances than would, say, two members of a golf club, or theater group, or any other set of people who befriend one another.

In fact, the latter groups are more likely to do so than Freemasons!  As Dan says, we’re more likely to come down harder purely BECAUSE of the moral issue - and I know that HAS happened!

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Posted: 17 November 2015 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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Neil Higgins - 13 November 2015 07:12 AM

I’m pretty sure that the UK Home Office some years ago mandated that anyone from the Judiciary had to declare their membership of Freemasonry as there was some concern about unfair treatment of other brothers.

I always enjoy it when non-Masons talk about the “Masonic Judges” I like to refer them to the one time where it is actually documented that a Freemason, one Frederick Seddon the Victorian poisoner,  tried to use his membership to avert the course of justice.

You can read the transcript of his trial here: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19120227-48&div=t19120227-48 and the kicker comes at the end when Seddon was asked if he had any reason that the sentence of death should not be handed down.

You can read Judge Bucknill’s response on this page: http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/seddon-frederick.htm

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Posted: 18 November 2015 07:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Yeah I been put in the situation of having to arrest another member of my mother lodge.  Thankfully a coworker knew we were both in the lodge and told me he would handle it.  I was thankful but would have done my job as I agree with Bro. Bucknill in the link you provided Bro. Martin.

Also I was involved in a theft case, for work not the crime, upwards of 50 grand from a lodge.  The offender turned out to be a Mason.  Again the brotherhood is strong but the lesson of masonry don’t condone criminal acts.

Also the amount of masons compared to the total population it’s very unlikely the situation will come up often.

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Posted: 18 November 2015 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Well, let’s just say the premice of this thread was that Police Officers are a) not welcome or b) trying to infiltrate lodges has been shown to be completely absurd. Many officers are masons and we have nothing to hide from our brothers. With the fact that a few of our brothers have even been President of the United States infiltration is not one of our concerns. We spend our time making sure our brothers and their families are ok and contributing to the betterment of those less fortunate in our communities.

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Posted: 19 November 2015 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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It’s probably true to say that police officers are happy to be Freemasons because it’s usually one of the few places they can go without meeting people they may have to deal with the following day - and as a result can relax.

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Posted: 21 November 2015 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Brother John - 14 November 2015 07:50 AM

The town where I live pays half the cost of the body armor worn by the police officers when they join the force. The local lodge pays the other half weather the officer is a member or not.

M.John thanks again for your answer i find it nice that your local lodge helps the police force and their protection. It makes me think my biological father used to help with how the vest’s where made and outside clothing for police officers of Sherbrooke as volonteer work.

Thanks Again M.John.

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Posted: 21 November 2015 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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Brother John - 18 November 2015 08:22 PM

Well, let’s just say the premice of this thread was that Police Officers are a) not welcome or b) trying to infiltrate lodges has been shown to be completely absurd. Many officers are masons and we have nothing to hide from our brothers. With the fact that a few of our brothers have even been President of the United States infiltration is not one of our concerns. We spend our time making sure our brothers and their families are ok and contributing to the betterment of those less fortunate in our communities.

Thanks M.John for your answer again. I am sorry i did not express myself in the right matter. what i ment is that police officers would not be welcome only if they where infiltrating a lodge as police work if there is such a thing. i was trying to express my concerns because as i grew older i noticed as police work they infiltrate all kind of organisations sometimes on what is said of the group. and it can also be angry catholic’s who open investigations on freemasons…

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Posted: 21 November 2015 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Sure, if a Police Officer were to ask to join a lodge and said he was only joining to infiltrate and find out what nefarious deeds the masons were up to he would be laughed at and shown the door. That is not a good reason for a man to join the Fraternity. We only allow men to join who hold a favorable opinion of the Craft and this man is coming to our gate with an assumption of evil doing. I doubt that would ever happen, though. All a cop would need to do to find out if we were doing anything bad is ask one of the masons in the squad room.

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